Turok, Neil

Neil Turok
Director Emeritus
Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada


Article: PhyCon 2016: …on investigating the unpopular
ArXiv: Perfect Quantum Cosmological Bounce, Steffen Gielen and Neil Turok, Phys. Rev. Lett. 117, 021301, 6 July 2016 (https://arxiv.org/abs/1510.00699 ),
Book: The Universe Within
TED: Working on a model of the universe that explains the big bang
YouTube Channel Video: The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything (October 2015)

Pages that reference Turok’s work within this website:
•  We do not understand space and time.
Get a grip. Get the universe.
An Integrated Structure of the Universe
If Turok Tells Us That Hawking Is Wrong,  The Big Bang Apple Is Falling
There is a perpetual state of big bangs…
Job Feldbrugge:  Breaking out of Ruts of Misunderstanding
Redefine Space, Time and Infinity
References: https://81018.com/alphabetical/  https://81018.com/2016/06/30/perimeter/#Turok
• This page: https://81018.com/2016/08/02/turok/

Most recent email: 3 April 2021 @ 4:17 AM

Dear Prof. Dr. Neil Turok,
I know how entirely idiosyncratic my little construct is, yet nobody explains
how it misses the mark.

I do not think real scholars have spent any time with the numbers: https://81018.com/chart/  You are a real scholar so your answers are important to me!  Thanks.





1. Might the Planck Length-and-Planck Time and Planck Mass-and-Planck Charge be among the parameters that define the first moment or instant of the universe?
Answer: Yes | No | Maybe

2. Might an infinitesimal sphere be a first manifestation of Planck’s Base Units?
Answer: Yes | No | Maybe

3. Might sphere stacking and cubic-close-packing of equal spheres be among the.first functional activities to define the universe?
Answer: Yes | No | Maybe

4. Might the rate by which spheres emerge be determined by Planck Time at one sphere per unit of Planck Length such that there could be 539.116 tredecillion spheres per second given the value of Planck Time is 5.39116(13)×10-44 seconds?
Answer: Yes | No | Maybe

5. Might base-2 notation be applied to create an ordering schema for these spheres such that Planck Time expands approximately 436,117,076,900,000,000 seconds to the current time within just 202 doublings?
Answer: Yes | No | Maybe

6. Might there be a range of perfection from the earliest notations and prior to any kind of quantum fluctuation, be it ontological or physical?
Answer: Yes | No | Maybe

7. Might these spheres:
___(a) be defined by continuity-symmetry-harmony (which redefines infinity)?
___Answer: Yes | No | Maybe Comment:
___(b) …become the basis to define the aether?
___Answer: Yes | No | Maybe Comment:
___(c) …be the reason for homogeneity and isotropy?
___Answer: Yes | No | Maybe Comment:
___(d) …and, be the essence of dark matter and dark energy?
___Answer: Yes | No | Maybe Comment:

8. Might you be open to receive another eight questions about foundational concepts and no sooner than eight months from today?
Answer: Yes | No | Maybe

Thank you very much. -BEC

Bruce E. Camber

Seventh email: 11 March 2021 @ 4:17 AM

Dear Prof. Dr. Neil Turok:

Might we take as a given: A key structure of the universe is an infinitesimal sphere defined by the Planck base units. It is, of course, orders of magnitude smaller than any particle. What can we say about that sphere?
[1] It is defined by pi (π).
[2] It is defined by the Planck base units.
[3] It is defined by the other dimensionless constants that define those units.
[4] This very-first infinitesimal sphere is never-ending, never-repeating, always the same and forever changing in relations to all other spheres.
[5] This quality redefines continuity. It creates order and numbers and it is the first moment of time and the very nature of time.

[6] Now, to better visualize this event, know that the rate at which these spheres are manifesting is defined by Planck Time: 539 tredecillion spheres per second.
[7] Sphere stacking necessarily begins, but this is just the beginning.

[8] The second quality of this most-infinitesimal sphere is its symmetries which create relations which create space. Think of cubic-close packing of equal spheres.

[9] Continuity and symmetry are simple perfections.

[10] Focusing on cubic-close packing (ccp) and the creation of lines, tetrahedrons and octahedrons, many different types of symmetries emerge including a five-tetrahedral cluster that will become systemic or ontic and quantum fluctuations within given notations.

[11] A third quality of spheres is harmony and it, too, is a simple perfection.
[12] With this image, pi and spheres are dynamic, extending through time. Called the Fourier Transform, we are now researching possible faces of it and the harmonic functions uniquely created.

We’ve applied base-2 to order these spheres and there are 202 notations from the first instant to the current time. If Notation #1 is close to absolute zero, by the notation-136, the temperature has risen high enough for the Quark-Gluon plasma processes to begin. By Notations-143-to-144, the first second of the universe is defined. Agreeing with Neil Turok that big bang cosmology is wrong, this cold-start model is more like Lemaitre’s original ideas of 1927.

Your comments are most welcomed.  Thank you.



PS. I am having great fun getting to know of your good works in South Africa and throughout  Africa.  Stunning. -BEC

Sixth email: 27 March 2020 @ 8:10 AM

Dear Prof. Dr. Neil Turok:

Along with Nima and Max, you three constitute a force in physics and are three of my favorites among the legions of the brilliant.

Today’s homepage — the unique URL is https://81018.com/uni-verse — has links to you three, plus to one of my very favorite pages, https://81018.com/bbtheory/ Beside the banality of the comedy, The Big Bang Theory, your comment comes alive. Hopefully I quote you correctly, “Turok believes that the universe behaves as if it is always starting from scratch.”

Of course, our idiosyncratic model certainly meets that criteria in some literal way:
1. The infinite-finite relation whereby the infinite as the qualitative expression of continuity (order), symmetry (relations), and harmony (dynamics) while the finite is the quantitative expression of continuity, symmetry, and harmony.
2. There is an initial perfection of the qualitative that recognizes that the geometric gap of the five tetrahedral configuration and it becomes the grounds for quantum fluctuations which become systemic around Notation-64 when particles and waves begin to manifest.

The fact that the speed of light is confirmed within .01% of laboratory-defined speed at the one second mark between Notation-143 and Notation-144 and then again with a light year between Notation-168-and-169 is sweet.

So, just a few days ago I read about your blocking Fotini from applying for tenure and I realized you do not suffer fools easily. Of course, Fotini is no fool. She’s brilliant. Yet, when it comes to testing new ideas, we are all fools albeit some of us more foolish than others given those quantum leaps and impatience with incrementalism.

I wish you well. Stay healthy in these very odd times when we can be thankful that the universe is constantly renewed.

Warmest regards to your two exceptional colleagues, Job Feldbrugge and Jean-Luc Lehners.

Most sincerely,

Fifth email: 17 January 2020
Asking for advice to modify this statement:

This base-2 model of the universe begins with Planck Time, logically the first instance of the universe, to the current day and time, all within just 202 notations or doublings. In this model, the universe becomes hot enough to support the quark-gluon plasma by Notation-136 (which is before the first second transpires between notation 143 and 144). Here is an area for the “never-ending starts” suggested by Neil Turok and Job Feldbrugge of the Perimeter Institute, and Jean-Luc Lehners of the Albert-Einstein-Institut of Potsdam, Germany. Here is a mindset to fulfill the wishes of Nima Arkani-Hamed and Max Tegmark for a fundamentally new concept of spacetime and infinity.”

Dear Prof. Dr. Neil Turok:

Any advice that you could give to improve this introduction
just above or the entire page — https://81018.com/arxiv/
would be profoundly appreciated.

Thank you.

Yours sincerely,
PS. My reference page to your work is here: https://81018.com/2016/08/02/turok/

Fourth email: 8 March 2018

Dear Prof. Dr. Neil Turok:

Might you comment on our homepage today, particularly on the first goal of our website where we reference your work?

The impasse within the Standard Model is highly documented, especially since the diphoton results (2015, 2016). In his July 20, 2017 IAS lecture — “Where in the world are SUSY and WIMPS?” — Nima Arkani-Hamed  says, “…go back and think about these things again from a totally different view, something completely, radically, 100% out of left field, totally different from anything we’ve thought about before.”

The power of 2, just doubling the four basic Planck numbers, creates a very special flow within the universe where space and time and infinity are redefined.

There is merit in simplicity yet we (the scientific community) distrust the truly simple (and often naive people like me).

If you would comment, I would be ever so grateful.  Thank you.



PS. Here is a sample of one of many references to your work:

Four primary goals

Sphere to tetrahedron-octahedron couplet

1. Unplug the big bang theory.  It’s on life support.    We can replace the strained logic of “infinitely hot, infinitely dense” with a natural inflation. Neil Turok’s perpetual starts is the first notation where infinitesimal spheres manifest. The 202.34 mathematically-integrated notations begin with the logic of pi and a simplicity that redefines space, time and infinity. We start with the Planck base units and go to this very moment of time.  More…  Chart…

Third email: June 27, 2017

Congratulations, Prof Dr. Neil Turok.

When I listen to your lectures, I feel like I am surrounded by goodness
and what I am hearing is from a sweet therapist coaching me along my way.
Indeed, congratulations, on a life well lived.

I couldn’t help but pick up the discussions about the big bang:

I also put it out on my LinkedIn site:

Of course, I wish you continued successes with your work.

Most sincerely,

Bruce Camber

Second email: Tuesday, October 4, 2016

Dear Prof. Dr. Neil Turok,

Thank you for your conference, Time in Cosmology. What an extraordinarily astute group of people; the videos of the sessions are most helpful.

I have created a few links to the conference, to your work and to the Perimeter Institute. You all have already greatly informed us on our journey. We expect you will continue to do so.

There are three key pages:

Now, thinking about time and the large-scale universe, perhaps another conference could be entertained, Time in the small-scale and human scale universe. Before the first three minutes, time is well in to the large-scale universe. Of our 202 base-2 notations, the first second from Planck Time is within notations 144-145. The first day (86400 seconds) is between notations 160 and 161. A light year is between notation 168 and 169. Now we finally get inside cosmology.

If we engage the numbers generated using base-2 from the Planck base units, it all appears to expand rather quietly right out beyond the need for a big bang.



* * * *

Bruce Camber

PS. Yes, I know how naive and idiosyncratic our work is. The simplicity of the logic and math, however, has caught our attention. The numbers seem to speak louder than words. Although temperature is a problem, I think in time we’ll be able to adjust that line of figures with some kind of “reasonable” rationale, perhaps a different algorithm. -B


First email:  August 2, 2016

Dear Prof. Dr. Neil Turok:

What a wonderful introduction and lecture.
You are so powerfully endearing.

I would like to invite you to demythologize and debunk
our work that started in a high school geometry class
when we divided the edges of a tetrahedron in half and
connected the four new vertices. There was a half-sized
tetrahedron in each corner and an octahedron in the middle.

We did the same for the octahedron and kept going further
within. In about 45 steps we were in the range of a fermion.
In another 67 steps we had arrived at the Planck scale.

When we multiplied that same tetrahedron by 2, in about
89 steps we were out to the Age of the Universe. Great fun, yet
it took us two years to begin to believe that base-2 notation
from the Planck Scale had not yet been done. Base-10, of course,
had Kees Boeke’s imprint and Gerard t’Hooft recently did his Time in Powers of Ten.

For us, base-2, the Planck base units, an inherent geometry, and
a simple little continuity equation from the smallest to the largest
possible measurements of length, time, charge, mass, and temperature
just seemed like the achievement of a lifetime. Yes, we did have fun.

It is a great little STEM tool.  (But it all just may be silliness.)
When we started filling in the numbers —
https://81018.com/chart/ — it was simplicity incorporated!
But…it did raise questions!

Obviously, our logic is wrong or the old big bang is wrong.
We named the progression from the singularity to the fermion
and friends, the Quiet Expansion. It must be pure math with a
very special reality kin to Dark Energy and Dark Matter.

We would love to know what you think.
You can be rough on us. We can take it.
Thanks again for all that you do.

Most sincerely,

Bruce Camber

PS. Thank you as well for your introduction to
Art McDonald and his work with neutrinos in subterranean Sudbury.
We will be having discussion groups around your online video,
The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything. And we were especially
happy to hear that you believe we will eventually understand the
reason for the simplicity, homogeneity and isotropy of our universe home.


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